ZevenOS 5.0 [Beta] Goodbye Deskbar – Hello xfce4-panel ‘deskbar’ mode
Allgemein November 19th, 2012
Update:Deskbar 2 is now also available via the repository as requested.
ZevenOS used the deskbar for ages to create a slick and nice looking tasklist and mainmenu panel. With the current struggle in development on ZevenOS (btw. thanks for all your support it was really helpful and motivated me to start working on ZevenOS 5.0 again) I decided to give the deskbar mode in the xfce4-panel a go and I really have to say I am impressed. It works almost flawlessly. There are still some glitches like not being able to setup the panel to move under windows (so not behave like a panel but more like the deskbar used to) and some confusing configuration settings but the xfce4-panel brings in the advantage of plugins and you can configure a lot with them.
So I decided for the 5.0 release of ZevenOS to simply ship the xfce4-panel. Currently I am not sure if I would stop development of the deskbar completely or if we implement a tasklist on our own (the one we used before wnck needs dirty patching and does not seem to work as good as it was before). This will also depend on how many contributors are interested in either creating special xfce4-panel plugins for ZevenOS (like a good quicklaunch plugin, the current one is not very advanced) or working on the deskbar.
You can get the current beta from here: D O W N L O A D (MD5: 4a9f773f881ff47f6cfd59cb53977b50)
Known Issues:
- ISOLinux Bootmenu still shows Xubuntu Artwork
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November 19th, 2012 at %I:%M %p
Congratulations!!!
I am downloading now. Hope I gave you some motivation. Your ZevenOS is pretty good, and the earlier ones were unique! Keep at it!
November 19th, 2012 at %I:%M %p
G R O ẞ A R T I G
ich werde mir gleich mal beta herunterladen!
November 19th, 2012 at %I:%M %p
Leszek, when a window is maximized, it doesn’t overlap the deskbar as it was in the earlier editions. The window doesn’t minimize, when clicked on the deskbar. I am still in the live mode.
http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/3016/screenshot1119201210161.png
November 20th, 2012 at %I:%M %p
This is exactly one of the glitches I mentioned in this article. For minimizing try double clicking the titlebar of the window just ike usual
November 20th, 2012 at %I:%M %p
It didn’t work that way. What if you use the deskbar from your last issue?
November 20th, 2012 at %I:%M %p
ZevenOS ist für mich eine große Enttäuschung. Wenn ich zB das Desktopbild ändern will, dann ändert sich auch alles andere. Was soll dieser Quatsch? Damit kann ich nicht arbeiten.
Von der Hässlichkeit von ZevenOS mal ganz zu schweigen…Aber was kann aus dem Osten schon Gutes kommen?
November 20th, 2012 at %I:%M %p
Please read the article once more. I already explained there why the old deskbar does not work anymore.
November 20th, 2012 at %I:%M %p
Do you remember I wrote to you earlier? When you announced you are not going to develop Zeven os again, I thought I’d upgrade ZevenOS 4 to Quantal. Then I had a little problem of not seeing the deskbar, so you told me, either build it myself or install python-wnck from your repos. I did that and everything started working. You can see our discussion in this web site.
You see that the deskbar is autohiding here. In the screenshot it’d come back above. You can also see that Firefox maximized all the way.
http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/4513/screenshot1120201204442.png
http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/7572/screenshot1120201204394.png
I read the article carefully, but I have a working ZevenOS-Quantal.
Take care!
Ch
November 20th, 2012 at %I:%M %p
I’m glad you’re (mostly) happy with xfce panel in deskbar mode. Please let me know if there are any missing features or fixes to add. Chances are that Xfce users may also be interested in them and there is no need to diverge from the upstream version too much.
November 20th, 2012 at %I:%M %p
Hallo Leszek,
ich wollte nun die Beta installieren, erst mal alles wie gewont, doch dann im Abschnitt Netzwerkauswahl und betätigen von weiter, ist stillstand. Da tut sich dann nichts mehr!
November 20th, 2012 at %I:%M %p
The way you managed to use the deskbar on quantal was by upgrading from oneiric. So you are using a mixed software repo that still has python2.6 and its libraries which is not there anymore on quantal so we can not use it.
As the other comment, appearantly from the xfce team, is offering help and suggestions. So I would suggest making a request in xfce directly for the xfce4-panel to support to go in background or allow window overlapping.
November 20th, 2012 at %I:%M %p
Spontan fällt mir nicht ein wo du das Netzwerk im Installationsprogramm auswählst. Was meinst du genau und kann man das nicht überspringen ?
Achja und checke bitte nochmal die md5summe der heruntergeladenen ISO Datei. Vielleicht ist da was falsch.
November 20th, 2012 at %I:%M %p
Spezifiziere bitte : “dann ändert sich auch alles andere” . Meinst du damit dass alle Hintegründe auf allen virtuellen Arbeitsflächen geändert werden ?
Hässlichkeit ist subjektiv. ZevenOS ist eben für BeOS Liebhaber.
Zum letzten sag ich mal nix, das ist an primitivität eigentlich nicht zu übertreffen, wenn man sich so äußert.
November 20th, 2012 at %I:%M %p
Wenn ich auf dem Installationsbatten der laufenden cd klicke, dann kommt doch Der bereich, wo du automatisch Aktuaisierungen herrunterladen, und ein Haken bei unfreie Software (mp3) und so weiter auswählscht, und dann auf weiter klikst. Die hardware wurde erkannt, überspringen kann ich die Sache nicht, denn da bleibt er warscheinlich schon hängen. Habe auch mal eine Installation mit dektivierten Netzwerk probiert, da passiert dann das gleiche.
November 20th, 2012 at %I:%M %p
Also du hast die Häckchen nicht gesetzt und ein Schritt auf Weiter gemacht und der bleibt dann hängen ?
Hmm… ich kann das Problem leider nicht nachvollziehen hier klappt es.
Evtl. mal Ubiquity aus dem Terminal mit
gksu ubiquityaufrufen und schauen, was und ob da ein Fehler geworfen wird.
November 20th, 2012 at %I:%M %p
Nein, keine Fehler, gleiches Verhalten.
Ich werde mir Morgen mal eine neue DVD brennen, vieleicht liegt es ja am Rohling?!
November 20th, 2012 at %I:%M %p
Wie gesagt MD5 Summe der ISO checken und dann nochmal vom Rohling machen und dann schauen.
November 20th, 2012 at %I:%M %p
An der dvd lag es wohl nicht, installiere es gerade au einen anderen Minilaptop.
November 21st, 2012 at %I:%M %p
Leszek,
I changed the zevenOS repo to 5 and updated and dist-upgraded my ZevenOS installation, and it took in everything and it works!
The deskbar is your creation, and Quantal’s python adapts to it.
My ZevenOS installation is not any more of Oneiric.
Check and see!
November 21st, 2012 at %I:%M %p
Leszek, I’m moving my ZevenOS installation to Raring sometime today, of course with your ZevenOS 5 repo. And, I am sure it would work. It would have nothing of Oneiric at all, as I had dist-upgraded it to Quantal and ZevenOS 5 repo. It would be fully dist-upgraded to Raring.
Good day!
November 21st, 2012 at %I:%M %p
Again deskbar uses python 2.6 and a patched wnck lib dedicated to work with it. So it can not work on clean quantal where there is no python 2.6 or any python 2.6 bindings for gtk and so on.
Its nice that it is working for you but that must be because you still have packages from oneiric.
November 21st, 2012 at %I:%M %p
Well, whatever you say. After a full dist-upgrade and autoremove, autoclean, nothing old stays back, and Python too went up. My ZevenOS live DVD does not have the problem of this ZevenOS 5 Beta. Mine is also now ZevenOS 5 as I changed the repos to 5. But, I’ve already frozen the ZevenOS 5 repos, after the upgrade, so whatever new additions to the repo won’t break it. If it works, it works, and that’s all I can say.
I have a live DVD out of that and I have installed it in a desktop, laptop and a netbook.
Anyway, it is your creation, so what can I say…
Good day!
November 21st, 2012 at %I:%M %p
I added the deskbar now fully working with python 2.7 and our patched python-wnck. Feel free to test it out.
November 21st, 2012 at %I:%M %p
I will! Congrats!!!
November 22nd, 2012 at %I:%M %p
Hallo Leszek,
hier ein kleiner Report.
Auf meinem Acer Aspire One 110 läuft es prächtig, auf meinem Thinpad hat es wohl noch probleme mit der Hardware, ich denke seshalb bleibt wohl auch Die Installation hängen, zudem habe ich in der Statusanzeige neben Dem Netzwerk auch Bluetooth aktif, obwohl es Hardwaremäßig nicht vorhanden ist. Aber zum Testen reicht mir auch erst mal der Acer!
November 22nd, 2012 at %I:%M %p
Bravo Zevenos geht weiter. Es ist eine Freude. Danke an allen.
November 25th, 2012 at %I:%M %p
… bin hellauf begeistert. Gute Arbeit.
Danke dem Team..
Test’s folgen…!!!
November 25th, 2012 at %I:%M %p
Ich habe nun mal die Basis von ZevenOS (XUBUNTU) auf meinem T43 installieren wollen, und siehe da, ich habe dort das gleiche Problem, Die Installation bleibt an der selben Stelle Stehen wie schon oben unter Zevenos berichtet, nur als Hinweis! Die alte 4er version lief auch auf dem Thinkpad.
November 25th, 2012 at %I:%M %p
Kannst du das mal mit einem “normalen” Ubuntu bzw. Xubuntu verifizieren. Ich vermute es könnte ein allgemeines Problem der aktuellen Ubuntu Basis sein.
November 25th, 2012 at %I:%M %p
ich habe ein normales xubuntu ausprobiert, und das Problem war das gleiche.
November 25th, 2012 at %I:%M %p
Dann scheint sich meine Vermutung zu bestätigen. Es scheint ein allgemeines Problem der Ubuntu Basis zu sein, bei dieser Version.
November 26th, 2012 at %I:%M %p
Nummer 5 lebt, oder wie ich es geschaft habe, zevenos5 beta auf meinem Desktop zu installieren.
Nachdem ich es beim Thinkpad noch nicht geschaft habe, habe ich nun nach entfernung des Wlan-Sticks die installation erfolgreich abgeschlossen, mein erstes Resultat, Alles laüft soweit bestens!
November 29th, 2012 at %I:%M %p
Leszek, you might now drop the Beta name!
Its working very well!
November 29th, 2012 at %I:%M %p
@Detlef bitte schau dir auch diesen Bug Report im Forum hier an: http://www.zevenos.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=1974&pid=7036#pid7036
Scheinbar hat das was mit der Festplatte und vorhandenen Partitionen mit Ubuntu zu tun. Evtl. mal versuchen diese Partition vorher zu löschen (falls nicht mehr gebraucht) und dann eine Installation versuchen.
Ich würde mich freuen, wenn wir das weiter im Forum besprechen könnten.
December 5th, 2012 at %I:%M %p
So whats the difference between this and OS4 OpenDesktop that was released last week. This just looks like OS4 with a different logo and a different set of icons. This is like, OS4 OpenDesktop is like the real BeOS and ZevenOS is like YellowTab zeta. This a blatant ripoff.
December 5th, 2012 at %I:%M %p
Didn’t we had this discussion before as OS4 was still called PC/OS ?
ZevenOS is simply older then PC/OS and we use different tools aswell as an original BeOS window decoration. In contrast to PC/OS and OS4 which changed its user interface through several versions, we didn’t.
December 5th, 2012 at %I:%M %p
One of my reader pointed this out to us and I thought I would comment. First, there is no more BeOS and no more Zeta. They were unique in their own ways. They cannot be copied and there is no one Linux distro that can even capture the spirit. OS4′s use of the deskbar comes from the unification of the dock and the shelf in previous OS4 versions. The BeOS windows decorations have been included in OS4 since 2006. OS4 didnt copy Zeven and Zeven did not copy OS4 AT ALL. in fact I dont know if Leszek remembers this but PC/OS made use of a couple of ZevenOS’s tools. This is the spirit of Linux and Open Source, to be able to share tools and code. Its in the DNA of open source and Linux. The use of the XFCE deskbar mode is just a testament that the Deskbar was a great idea and that BeOS got something right. I dont think ZevenOS is going to target our users, we tend to stay on the more stable and LTS side of the stack and Zeven tends to trend the cutting edge and they tend to want to target a new platform to run legacy BeOS apps. I havent tried ZevenOS 5 yet, I have it downloading and will run a VM with it as I did with ZevenOS 4 and ZevenOS Neptune. I congratulate Leszek for his release. We all know what it takes to get ready for a big release. But, Im sure if Leszek has something to say or wants my opinion, he would ask for it. So lets squash the copying remarks right now and just chalk it up to the fact that this is the Linux community and we share ideas and in some cases ideals. Congrats Leszek.
December 5th, 2012 at %I:%M %p
Thanks.
I agree with everything you wrote.