How much does ZevenOS cost ?
Allgemein September 27th, 2012The future of ZevenOS looks bad. The community effort to create a free and open source linux distribution bringing the beos look and feel back has dried out. Currently only I am there as the main developer of ZevenOS. Exactly one week ago I asked for help in the community but there was near to nothing feedback on this topic. I know that there are a few people who want to use ZevenOS but neither of them is capable or willing to effort time to support ZevenOS in an open and free manner.
It should be clear than that even for me working on a project alone is no real fun anymore(like it was in the beginning were lots of people got interested and had suggestions and wanted to help) and is really hard if you are on your own. The only way I see me working again on ZevenOS even for an 5.0 release is taking money from those who want a ZevenOS distribution. For that matter I calculated the money it costs to create a new ZevenOS 5.0 release (without adding new features, which might take extra development time). I think that the work to create a new release based upon Xubuntu 12.10 takes about 1 working week (5 days) including testing and fixing bugs if necessary. If I work for lets say 5 days each day 8 hours and for each hour I take 5€ (6,45$) I would get 40€ (51,61$) on one day. If count that with the 5 days for working you will get to 200€ (258,08$).
And thats exactly my calculated cost for a next ZevenOS release. (excluding server costs)
So if this amount of money can come together by donations I will garantee you to bring a new ZevenOS release out this year. If not(and also there isn’t a change of heart in the developer support) than unfortunately I have to say: “Thats it for ZevenOS”.
As I know money and especially money for an opensource project is a highly controversial topic I invite everyone to discuss this in our forum.
Also notice for the donation procedure. I am happy about every € or $ donated. But to be clear here it would be better for everyone who wants to donate to ZevenOS to write me an email together with the sum he or she wants to donate. With this kind of procedure we can together accomplish that no money will get wasted if the amount of money whats needed does not come together. (and I have to trust everyone who sends an mail that he will pay the money he offered)
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September 27th, 2012 at %I:%M %p
Hi Leszek,
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Nun es ist schon schade, dass ZevenOS womöglich ausläuft.
Allerdings muss ich gestehen, dass mich das Xubuntu-basierte ZevenOS wenig interessiert hat seit Neptune immer mehr Fahrt aufgenommen hat.
Wieviel Arbeit ist denn für ein einfaches ZevenOS-Desktop (mit dem BeOS-Feeling) ohne viel Schnickschnack notwendig, wenn sich mit Wheezy als Basis der Unterbau nicht mehr so häufig ändern würde ?
Wenn ihr mit Neptune demnächst auf die Wheezy-Basis geht und bei Stable bleibt, würden sich da bei der Entwicklung doch Synergieeffekte ergeben, du müsstest das einmal anpassen und hättest einfach mit ZevenOS die Light-Version von Neptune, auch für 32-Bit nur halt mit etwas orginellem Desktop. Du müsstest bei der Entwicklungsarbeit nicht mehr von Debian zu Ubuntu und wieder zurück springen und der Releasezyklus wäre verhaltener = weniger Arbeit. Vielleicht könntest da auch etwas aus deiner Zusammenarbeit mit Snowlinux wieder mitnehmen
Selbst wenn irgendjemand bereit ist für die Xubuntu-basierte Version dir eine bescheidene “Bezahlung” zukommen zulassen, wäre die Frage zu klären, ob dieser nun unbedingt ein Ubuntu-Fan ist und oder nur will, dass ZevenOS fortgesetzt wird. weil er ein Fan freier Software bzw. Linux ist und deutsche Entwickler/Projekte einfach unterstützen will.
Ich fordere jetzt auch die mit Mit-Leser auf, darüber nachzudenken. Knoppix ist nicht (wirklich) installierbar, Kanotix gibt es nur mit KDE (und zu selten eine iso), Snowlinux gibt es häufig in vielen Varianten, aber da wird ein bisschen zu sehr auf “Distrowatch” und englischsprachige Distrohopper geschielt, die Homepage ist im Gegensatz zu hier nur englischsprachig.
September 28th, 2012 at %I:%M %p
Sad! I just discovered ZevenOS but can’t use it because my touchpad doesn’t work. I hope you release an update, it’s a really neat idea.
September 29th, 2012 at %I:%M %p
Any way you could upload the theme to Xfce-look.org?
September 29th, 2012 at %I:%M %p
As the theme is not XFCE specific you won’t find it on xfce-look.org. But take a look at box-look.org for the sawfish window decor and gnome-look.org for the icon theme and gtk theme. And if you don’t like it there take a look at our theme download page.
September 29th, 2012 at %I:%M %p
5€/hour? Hey, for this you can come to me home and clean a bit
Greetings, the ZevenOS-Neptune Kernel Dev
September 29th, 2012 at %I:%M %p
Hi could you please contact me via email
I would really likt to help you out I am interested in contributing to such a project that converges BeOS and Ubuntu it is really a recipe to success
October 1st, 2012 at %I:%M %p
To all Developers/ Maintainer. I have noticed their is no direct email so here is my understanding. I understand the current state of affairs here. Please reach out to me and maybe we could do something to allow survival of this OS.
Possible funding, revamp,reorganize etc.Indeed I have the RESOURCES if you do not get in touch I cannot help!!! I may just be able to help you spare your vision. PLEASE Reachout this is an attempt to make this survive.
October 1st, 2012 at %I:%M %p
Would be interested in helping, bugtesting, anything that would help extend the life of this distro. I like it very much. Please email if there are any contributions that I can make as an intermediate Linux user.
Thanks.
R.D.
October 2nd, 2012 at %I:%M %p
Isn’t it too much work to support an entire distro for just the admittedly fine look-and-feel of BeOS? Would it be simpler to produce just the theme packages for popular desktop environments or window managers?
October 2nd, 2012 at %I:%M %p
[...] Aquí lo hemos tratado en algunas ocasiones, un proyecto que fundara Leszek Lesner en el 2008, y que como explica amárgamente en el sitio internet de la distribución: [...]
October 5th, 2012 at %I:%M %p
LiquidX give me you email or just send me an email to ahmad_alamer@rocketmail.com so we could plan somthing zevenOS deserves to live and we can add some functionality like making it more lightwieght and add some package I have lot of things coming to myy mind so please decide either you want to contact me this is my email and I am waiting
October 6th, 2012 at %I:%M %p
For E-Mail contact about this, write to leszek:
http://www.zevenos.de/de/imprint
For contact to me or other developer, ask leszek if he could make the contact.
October 6th, 2012 at %I:%M %p
I and my group had read your information from weekly news of distrowatch.com today. Many of us think you are really a brave hero because you insist on your dream although no one can help more.
Please keep your courage and going. We will try to raise money to support your work.
October 15th, 2012 at %I:%M %p
Hallo, nun schein es der Fluch von Linux zu sein ein Baukasten zu bleiben. Mit dem auslaufen von Zeven OS würden sich neue mögichkeiten eröffnen. Ich möchte hier nicht als Linuxhasser abgestempelt zu werden denn, selber benutze ich gerne Puppy Linux als portables Betriebssystem. Ist es den nicht besser Zeven OS auslaufenzulassen und dafür Haiku zu unterstützen. Das Projekt hat sehr große Fortschritte in letzter Zeit gemacht.
November 10th, 2012 at %I:%M %p
Hi Leszek,
Sorry to hear about this matter. ZevenOS was and is a good distro. Wish your financial problems would solve and you’d be able to continue with your beloved OS. You have certain specialized apps in ZevenOS, and would you be continuing to develop those?
Take care!
Ch
November 10th, 2012 at %I:%M %p
Hi Leszek,
I did this today. Have look.http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/8977/zevenosmovedtoquantal.png
November 10th, 2012 at %I:%M %p
Everything works well with my upgrade of ZevenOS, but the only hitch is I can’t get the Deskbar2 to be seen. I can get into any application, but I’d like to have the Deskbar2. It is installed anyway.
November 10th, 2012 at %I:%M %p
the deskbar needs a special patched version of python-wnck with an set orientation patch.
November 10th, 2012 at %I:%M %p
Until, I reboot I have the deskbar, after that it is not to be seen, but its installed, so how do I get this patched version of python-wnck with an set orientation patch? I haven’t uninstalled anything. The zevenos packages are the same.
November 10th, 2012 at %I:%M %p
You have to build it yourself or just install the python-wnck package from our repo.
Also notice, that it would be wise to try to start deskbarv2 from terminal to see which errors it throws.
November 10th, 2012 at %I:%M %p
I will, thanks! Good luck to you!
November 10th, 2012 at %I:%M %p
Success!!!
Here is the screenshot; http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/2788/zevenosquantal.png
Leszek, don’t stop ZevenOS development. People would remember you only if you keep on doing what you love to do. I have no geek knowledge, but common sense, so I upgraded ZevenOS4 to Quantal, and I don’t know how it should be named. Why not release ZevenOS 6 based on Quantal, Leszek?
Wish you luck!
November 10th, 2012 at %I:%M %p
Here is the other screenshot saying “This is not ZevenOS.”
http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/9691/thisisnotzevenos.png
So, mine is a Remix of ZevenOS, but not ZevenOS, so it is up to you go forward!
November 10th, 2012 at %I:%M %p
Nice that it worked for you.
The deskbar in particular would be hard to get working on Quantal as python 2.6 is not there anymore and deskbar strictly depends on it.
November 11th, 2012 at %I:%M %p
Hi Leszek,
The deskbar had adapted itself. I hope, you’d be able to continue the development of ZevenOS. I posted this matter on Ubuntu forums too, reminding them of ZevenOS. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=12347883#post12347883
I still have your earlier ZevenOS releases too.
November 15th, 2012 at %I:%M %p
Hallo I am again, I wrote the last comment in german. Well I didn’t say that Zeven OS is bad, if you all uderstand it so then I apologise, but linux have the problem that it exist amont of distros. The advantage of this is that every user can find his favorit distro but, well the secret of big success are “bread and games”. bread is the usebility and games are games. I use Windows because, the games will develop for this and I don’t mean the open source games. I think this is one of the main reasons why people use windows. And linux as parallel second operatingsystem to use is for an ordinary user to useless. The second hint vor this is that many user use open source software like vlc or libre office for ordinary tasks and this software user can use in linux too but they can’t use the new games (wine can’t replace windows). And don’t worry I am not against you I am only disapointed about linux.
November 22nd, 2012 at %I:%M %p
I wrote to Leszek via leszek@zevenos.com to offer to contribute. I haven’t received a reply. Should I use another email adddress. Now that Zevenos 5.0 is out in Beta – I am downloading it as I write this – it is important that zleszek be confident in receiving compensation.
November 22nd, 2012 at %I:%M %p
Answered.
It simply landed in the spam folder somehow so sorry about the late answer